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but it's wrong. been around camille justice for 35 years, i was a prosecutor for 37, you know, i don't love criticizing prosecutors. it's not my instinct. yyc something that's wrong, i'm glad anyone is spending attention to the unusual nurse of what they're doing and the lack of ethics and buyers junctures including bragg and his initial press conference announcing the facts number and part of the indictment. >> martha: will going to be talking about a lot what happens on july 11th and the sentencing which is going to be a very big moment in all of this so we'll talk to you soon. thank you. >> good seeing you. >> martha: you to. that is "the story for today see you back here tomorrow. >> ♪ ♪ >> it has been a busy newsday -- what he makes of today's hunter biden the element and the president of the united

states, not saying a word about that are going to address the crowd all about an hour ago. were up on that and we are up on this, obviously the big news is that hunter biden under the gun and guilty on all federal gun charges and know the question is whether he is going to face jail on those charges. again with all three convictions here. there's a possibility to spend as much as 25 years in jail. while unlikely it is out there and there is another trial coming up on tax related matters. welcome everybody i'm happy to have you, i'm neil cavuto, let's get right to it, david spunt in wilmington, delaware, what went down in the courthouse today because was quick, david? >> neal moylett was quick and it was tense. quiet in the courtroom when the verdict was read. the word "guilty memorial day three times with the son of a sitting president just looking forward, things happen so quickly of the all juries only deliberated for two hour to an hour yesterday things happen so quickly the first lady was not even in

the building when the verdict was read. she has been here every day except one day last week when she was in france attending the day ceremonies with her husband. she rushed in the building when she came here moments after the verdict was read. the president's sister valerie biden was not even in the courtroom, she was in the hallway came in after of the verdict was read. ultimately the entire case was just about this one page that hunter biden filled out on october 12th, 2018 for managers didn't believe him, they say that he is guilty, he's not a convicted felon from guilty under extreme -- on the three felonies any checks known about saying he was not addicted to drugs when he purchased a firearm for 11 days. this is new video our fox news -- giving some security members hug and his detail. you left, he didn't have any comment. you just walked his -- to his suv, he was spotted having lunch with his family earlier, abbey, happy even after the verdict did not go his way. you and put out a statement the -- i want to read it

apart. he says, "i am more grateful for today the -- from mel melissa, my family, my friends and my community then i am disappointed by the outcome committee continues "recovery is possible by the grace of god and i am blessed experience that gifts one day at a time period unless a counter is only deliberated two hours today. we spoke to juror number 10, my colleague jacobson who says the case was not complicated in the and mark. listen to juror number 10. >> nobody is above the law -- so that it not play a factor in my decision. it was not politically motivated. >> this is extraordinary. special council david weiss who was ready to enter a plea deal with hunter biden inside this very courthouse behind me less than one year ago today, one in court today he

says this case was simple, it's about lying and breaking the law. watch... >> ultimately, this case was not just about addiction. this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction. it was these choices in the combination of guns and drugs that made his conduct dangerous. >> will likely see david weiss informants in october of that is when sentencing is expected to happen here. we don't have a specific date yet. hunter could face up to 25 years behind bars but he isn't -- is not meant to make it a crime before so it's unlikely you'll see anything close to that and want to point out, david weiss it is still prosecuting hunter on tax charges, felony tax charges in los angeles. is expected to go to trial on september 5th but it's always possible there could be some sort of plea deal worked out if hunter's teams watch -- and david weiss is okay with that to make sure that they don't have to go through a trial does two

months before his dad is getting reelected potentially if he wins. macniel? >> martha: >> neil: if he wins. david spunt thank you very much -- when he was addressing -- it never came up, it's quite a lot of folks, wondering if it surprised my next guest paul ryan 54 speaker of the house so from 315 to 2019. he joins us right now. mr speaker, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> the. >> neil: there was a really -- little surprising wasn't it not even mention -- >> i don't think so. he just wanted to make sure it was not meddling with the justice department partition of her son. like anybody who's filled out these forms is pretty obvious it's as if you lie you're committing a felony on the form. anyone whose brought a gun knows this. didn't. you like, he was smoking was a pretty open and shut case. i think during a ten no -- got it right, know it is about of this is an open and shut case. >> neil: you're successor

of the presidents speak of the house, was asked about whether there is a two your justice system. this was from about an hour and a half ago. i want you to react to this speaker johnson. >> mr speaker, you -- the presidents son being convicted on three counts does not undercut your claims? >> it doesn't. every case is different and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case in the trump trial. other tournament brought against him were honestly brought for political cases. hunter biden is a separate instance is reviewed by the? >> i think i was smacked i do -- there's a lot of trump cases. this one here in new york i think was a bogus case. alvin bragg ran for office saying i'm going to get trump, that he guarded. you twisted in misdemeanor in the felony and got 34 felony convictions of it. if his name was donald cap caputo, i bet these charges

will not have been brought against him. >> neil: probably would've been more charges. >> right. i think the other kids rcs from trenton. i think the federal cases are much more serious and much more legitimate cases. think this was a totally bogus case. so, yeah, i think in equal justice was applied in a particular trump case. as i mentioned anybody was brought again, you know, he fill out the form that best as an open and shut case for hunter biden. but i do think this bragg case was really -- and i'm not a trump fan but he was totally victimized i think i was -- >> neil: were going to have -- >> is progressive -- >> neil: but there is the novelty of smacked his work and presented the situation that we are going to have a former president with a convicted criminal, and we are going to have a son of a president with a convicted mental and i'm just wondering what you think of that. >> i think in a country with relatively many people this is the choice we have? i like the majority of americans which we had a

there would be a different in a person in office. anything character is a really important issue billing if you put yourself above the constitution as you has done -- >> neil: but what happened -- with it on january 6? >> is a part of it. these are controversial factors but i think it's really not his character at the end of the enemy but if willing to put yourself above the competition, an oath used where we take office in federal office mother's president or a member of congress, you -- and accruing to -- thing that makes you unfit for office. >> is and make you worry if he does get elected president that he'll attend to their? skew nothing or institutions are pretty strong. i do think, you're talking about all these court cases that this is just one more chapter or an episode in the institutionalization of our society. in this case, you know, the judicial branch. i do think our institutions are strong enough to endure this. we have a separation of powers, we have three separate coequal branches, -- but they are still strong enough to withstand whatever

is going to be for other meaghan roy six is a good example of imaginary sex never had a chance of being successful because the institutions were too strong to have anything overturned that. so i don't think given the legislative branch counted judicial branch of the executive branch and attention that they have that we are going to have anything that disables our democracy movement out of hyperbolic talk about that. i don't buy any of that part. any of these institutions are strong. i like the way he makes decisions. >> neil: well he doesn't like you've got either. you heard your comments that he posted this on true social last month. rupert murdoch should fire his pathetic ryan, -- he said that ryan is a loser, always has been, always will be. he was a week and was incompetent speaker of the house in it's history. fox well lit sink to the autumn -- if all right has anything to do with the. you to serve on our board of directors so he's saying you shouldn't. >> look up i got death,, and worchester from donald trump of these are the three

certainties in my left centimeters another day in the life. lookup field t-2 trump is what -- if you don't pledge fealty to this man than you are -- used to mean a liberal republican versus a conservative -- a conservative republican. he's a populist. is not a conservative. want to see someone who has fidelity to principles. out before a party that is based on principles, not personality or populism. this populism is untethered the principles and that is why, you know, i'm an anti- establishment republican. >> neil: but you need human early on. to be fair, donald trump said of you not to long ago when you were going to be leaving the speaker -- ryan is actually good man and while he will not be seeking reelection he will leave a legacy of achievement that nobody can question, we are with you, paul." what happened? >> i had no personal -- i think he got railroaded in this newer case. i don't want to see him go to

jail. i do have any personal animosity -- >> neil: why do you -- while you keep saying stuff like this? because it rattled him. it gets them to see this stuff. >> because people like you asked me for the truth. you have any political ambition, not looking for anything in this asking that answering the questions truthfully which is -- understand many of your colleagues and the people you respect like the former -- will also share your concerns about latrobe and his temperament, when i spoke with him speaker he was just resigned to the fact that he is a guy that he's better than the guy, -- this is from bill bowler. >> i think trenin should be in the oval office, that's the fact. tree1 was discussed it in absolute terms and focus on the pose and cons of an individual. fine, we can discuss that but that interrelated in the a question of comparison. is a question of a choice of

a binary choice. and i don't think either are, you know, should be near the oval office. but one of wendell gibbs going to be regular in my mind that it's better for the country, for the replicants to win the election. >> neil: what do you think? >> bill is a good friend of mine. i understand the binary argument, i agree with that. is just that simple. >> neil: mike johnson your successful, there that seem to be retribution to the -- without calling it retribution got a lot of people criticizing republicans for what they interpret as, you know, going after the system that under donald trump or the alvin bragg situation. this is what mike johnson has to say about that cabinet is not about retribution or doing donald trump's bending. to collect businesses. >> alvin bragg, who by some estimates, early estimates received almost a million dollars of federal taxpayer funds in the last year to do what? to have politicized persecutions of a political opponent of his party?

iran on that grandmother was a premise of insulation listing attorney -- are you just doing it in the bigger platform? stockcar federal funding. congress is in charge of federal funding. congress is in charge of conducting oversight of how federal taxpayer funds are -- >> would you have done it if -- i don't know all the fact that he has in front of them but i do think he's right about bragg -- bragg which was this was a progressive and justified means vascular run on getting a guy that -- >> neil: but they're going so far and -- >> i didn't know this but i can understand there's some dod funds that probably go to -- >> neil: is more than that

though speaker -- >> -- is to allow presidents [simultaneous talking] >> neil: i understand but who are dealing with burdens -- federal cases for the president has some control. >> what mike is basically saying is i will always defend the house' right -- diet healthy. attention that you have between three separate coequal branches of government is important attention to the wonders is an abuse their power. and the power of oversight is a power that angus had a need to maintain and basically you can -- a cat scan not like it but that republican selectman and a concept congress in a way that's as well but the point is on the negative branch as well within its rights the predicament of oversight over another branch of government. >> neil: do you think you can survive in hazardous environment right now? is sort of like likable was because right now. know you've got kevin mccarthy, is trying to make sure nancy made is not renaming -- for south

carolina. congressional -- he's pouring it into her opponent in other words he's advocating -- >> i think mike johnson is doing a great job limiting mike johnson learned the key lesson early which is if you really are going to be good at that job speaker allows, you have to be willing to lose her job and mike did that. he put his job on the line to get things done like getting money to ukraine, israel a. one impacting experimental knowing that margarita le guin was going to do this. now mccarthy, you mentioned that when you have a once each margin and anybody can go the place of for self aggrandizement, for fame or later fortune as these nihilists have done and mutsumi takahashi is one of these people come here to change the place. and that means -- >> neil: for your support what he's doing? >> i support getting out of the primaries, legislators who are going to washington, with the congress to legislate, to join our team complements -- >> but that is what -- >> he's cost us a lot of

seeds. and probably spent some time with the numbers, ycaza as the senate twice, he, at the house because he is nominated he's pushing through the primaries people who cannot win general elections but to pledge fealty to impairment that's a good way to build -- ever since 2016 -- >> neil: was a difference between that -- >> the point i'm trying to make -- let me finish my point, we have -- we need legislators and what -- making sure that we have legislators in his seat because the people that voted last him, he didn't deserve encounter with a reason to be mandated for fame later to become famous. there are nihilists that are not there to legislate their data entertained for the more we can replace entertainer with the legislature and getting actually done on the author congress as an institution will be strong in the republican majority will be. >> i disappointed though republicans have -- albeit with a summons of majorities? >> it's hard. had it when people margin. so it really is basically saying these guys can do a

better job with both hands tied behind her back, i had both hands confirming mx oi and impressed with how mike johnson has handled this -- has recently. kevin for bringing a very simple piece of litigation -- to keep government open and not to -- because of this terrible low-margin we have this one rule are called motion to vacate one person can >> i think i should change. it makes a place ungovernable, unworkable and you have entertainers versus legislators and congresses as a outcome you will have a shorter think it's better to get a -- people who are six people gradually legislate advancements well in advance to own personal. >> really quickly and will take a break here, i love to have you back in excitement to pursue what's going on, he called donald trump a populist. well something is in the air because --

want to get your take on th that, how far this goes, what do you think you see in the trump administration? are you going to stick around? >> all right. >> neil: very good. paul ryan will mourn and also an update on the markets and what's been going on with the federal reserve and -- wrapup tomorrow, some concerns it might not be as hunky-dory as they were hoping that after this. >> ♪ ♪ lord, you know what's on our hearts. you know where we struggle. you know where we need to be pushed. help us give it all to you. the good, the bad. help us turn to you in everything. amen. you should join me in more prayer on hallow. stay prayed up.

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>> ♪ ♪ >> neil: were talking with a speaker, former speaker of the house paul ryan. you know him, vise presidential candidate under mitt romney back in 2012 and we were also talking about this move toward populist leaders and this quitting on government and power and convincing general, we see it -- we see throughout much of europe in there, of course, we are talking -- focus on both party philosophies. when you hear that speaker that donald trump is part of this wave that many are you he is leading this wave. is he? >> that you elections were pretty -- anything that surprising and frankly. i think europe is running up against is a decade of walk, you know, social policies and pervasive economics which

gist don't produce. their slow -- how you're slain england? >> you can see the tories are in government but didn't run it like a conservatives chemical taken issue with tory governance which, you know, liz truss actually, you know, was there for a cup of coffee trying to put supply -- so the tories went back to work a green economic and high taxes and dated -- >> so they were and what they believed they were. >> neil: my point is in the coming year you have basically seen the situation where you tie smaller -- marla -- and his big pack-mac and you've got a reaction against woke social policies and progressive economics which is not producing anything but inflation and joblessness and stagnant wages and no operability. and so it's no wonder you see in reaction against that they might know that some parties over there in europe that i think are farther right and furthermore, you know, we ugly but a lot of that center write i think is going to see

a resurgence. i think cdu and csu in germany will dwell their upcoming elections. this was a harbinger of that. so my guess is you will see more right of center, you know, governments taking ov over. here is harder to say but it will be like. thing this election -- >> neil: what would it donald trump -- stories potentially in this country would be like? >> a lot of the term economic select capital like the task i was thinking -- i think that inflationary, is going to lower our living standards and make us less competitive. but with respect to regulations in place without. i think he was fantastic and task -- tax policy. what really worries me about the next residency is whoever gets elected president and was promising that a tackle that and we have a likely that christ is coming in this country. is like the other first world countries have, we were talking about this on the first world countries have the same issue we have. baby boomers retiring and unfunded -- and masling -- massive amount of debt and all the forceful countries

are pushing this that out in the marketplace as they will be doing for as long as we can see and we have no serious answer to get that that under control, that could really -- >> republicans are just as mad at them -- but there are a lot of -- back in 2010 huron national commission for scholars possibly perform abortions and and we were looking at about $13 trillion and that, right. were up to 33, 34 trillion know. is out of control. >> the next eight years of -- and we touched on the third world. we reached the retirement raids we converted medicaid or premium support system. with an almost of things in those budgets that said this is how you get that under control and pay off the debt. >> neil: but that still rose under -- i understand but it rose under george bu

bush. george w. bush, it was under democratic -- no one can fix it. >> you can fix it if you have the political will. you don't have the political will right now. we'll politics random. my biggest complaint policy wise of whoever will be the next president because they're both running against doing something about this. that is my fear. i think the only way out of this given the politics and where they are today is to have a fiscal commission like you did -- the greenspan commission social security were congress cannot do can, avoided. they have to vote on it. estimates that we have. >> neil: smacks putting too much and abdomen -- and vise versa and we don't get past that it takes a brutal to come and say we have to do something up -- without raising retirement and doing all of this because there is political suicide and don't jump -- >> i know. that's what i regret but that's my ... is a political suicide. and -- a patchwork about it myself, -- in the house

republicans for eight years, we passed those votes. we've had those words. >> neil: but where you featured in those arms? >> but we still inspect our election. >> or somebody -- a greater look like me. [laughter] my point is that we don't have fears politics right no and we have at that price is coming and we got to do something about that. >> fiscal commission probably investment given that we don't have resident presidential leadership underwriting to do something about it. >> do you think all disclosed up -- whoever is elected in the next. >> i think it likely. necklace probably a strong word. i think it's very possible. was within cutting interest rates at mr say your highness guy, 2026, when cutting -- the men were still floating all of these bonds every other country doing the same thing. is very conceivable that one of our treasury -- or more than one of our -- fails correct when the the federal reserve probably stops and monitors are debt markets when you have a dollar crisis mcclennon dollar -- is called into question the matter is a

huge privilege we can lose and that is when the bond markets turn on congress and you have to do radical budget surgery then try and yet another crisis mcclennon -- it means telling people's benefits. if you act ahead of this problem my mother in law used always interested in time saves nine. if you step ahead of this problem you can solve the insolvency of these -- without affecting anyone's benefits were on them today. is post- -- take my ex generation, i'm, just a 55 envelope, reform the program so it's different when we retire so that it's involvement, that means you can guarantee people in their term of the benefits that they have coming -- the premises government made th them. if you ask soon you can do it now. mom is doing what i decide to peel yourself up there for -- for political shots and invariably the political demagoguery makes it look like you're taking something away from people their mother 30 little secret ill of this is medicare and social

security are going insolvent on their own payment that means means they go bankrupt or matter means current seniors to get the benefits cut if we do nothing. that's the problem. but it took me eight sentences to expand on this. that's a challenge when we have -- so you have a great future. if you ever want to -- ever to about in politics. we'll party ever be the same -- according to the former president nicolas rino. >> and many fibres also be younger than -- but a antiestablishment relic and. a conservative republican, a classical liberal free-market of -- that is not >> you're almost a bike president of the united states. what happened? >> 2,050,000 votes in three states within and when. >> what you can cause document what mitt romney dropping the ball? >> i don't know. we were running against barack obama within and get blamed for the bad economy. >> neil: torah is more of an uphill fight for a aga

against. >> i would love to be hilarious point -- >> neil: but you debated joe biden in 201212 years ago. that members of the menu scene today. >> different guy. >> neil: explained. >> i mean, i've known joe biden for 2020 -- 20-any five years. he's just aged very quickly. his aged a lot. the guy we debated 20 -- >> neil: do you think you can make it through a second term? >> beats me. >> neil: when you look at him and the way he responds to things that were you that someone else is pulling the strings? >> well i think -- let me just say it this way. there was conflict that voted for him, he won wisconsin by 20,000 votes. 53,000 wisconsinites voted for all the republicans running for congress but not for trump because they didn't like him, his character. 20,000 of those 53,000 wisconsinites 44 biden. you was molested by 20,000 votes. the suburbanites, basically college educated suburbanites -- they thought he was a

moderate. that's not what he is. is not what he did. you gillian roberts, frankly. but if he were -- as a why did you not moved to the middle -- he gave the keys to the progressives, it's why i'm not a transporter, among the reasons, and he went hard left. is left on israel, he left on foreign policy, is left on tax policy. i think they are eight what is that -- is not very effective. and he is walking a story that crisis as well so that the frustration that are in the majority of americans have which is we don't like either of these choices. but the question for biden to your point is i think the argument things people are thinking, and this guy go the full second term? nobody knows the answer that but it's a question that is on legitimate questions that just out and he isn't immoderate i thought he was. to the question if you're doing clinical notification is what i was 20,000 wisconsinites, that, you know, basically trump -- he

won 16 by 25,000 votes, biden one wisconsin by 20,000 votes, where one five-step probably no more than 20,000 people in the country will determine the selection among five or six -- so that's a question is, what do they think then? >> neil: finally a lot of our viewers new work smacked like maggie think you're pulling the strings here at fox counterpart of this and the trump, never trumpers movement emanate -- to even equip me with you to say that all right that we can experience. and were honestly -- the letter is saying that you should be fired by rupert murdoch. with the -- when you hear all of that, what the user say? >> been in politics along time demek i really -- have realistic skin and frankly -- >> neil: actually you don't hear a very thin and fit guy. >> i don't think about that. don't think about it. >> neil: has he ever rated

with you? >> know. does to raise it will you? >> neil: rupert murdoch. >> no. >> neil: it is an unspoken issue. >> yeah. >> neil: all right mexico is a free country. you can see what you want. >> neil: it is that. paul ryan, very good seeing you, the former speaker of the house, let's keep in mind we're going to be looking at all of the stuff he was talking about particularly when it comes to the possibility of a dollar implosion and all that is refocused remedy that goes beyond politics are the simple dollars, i think i can speak for the former speaker to say this isn't about whether blue. this is about a lot of green that we don't have any more. will have more after this... >> ♪ ♪ with just one card. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp?

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>> neil: you've heard hunter biden's gun trial is now done and know we were renting -- ratings in a single negative charters on those three gun card -- extremely unlikely but there's another terrain that's coming down the track

and that is this federal tax trial. trey gowdy her to put all of this in perspective, sunday night in america. he circulus talking to people but hearing them out and he joins us right now demek so, tray can play this out. first of the presidents not saying a people about it today on that his prerogative of course. but did that surprise you? >> there's not much to say. a jury of 12 of his peers -- look if you like live hangers of this was not your case. even i as rusty as i am kind of won this case as a prosecutor. it really is simple. did you lie on an application a purchase a firearm and the answer is yes, because we were both in and licked an unlawful user. i mean that he only helped improve one or the other. he had -- he actually bought because there are no local users of cocaine, base or crack -- did you put -- while you were an addict or an unlawful user to make this

case into tough and by the way, martha, matter in the tax case demek of other things in the world that you and i can agree on, when you have to pay taxes by is one of them. i mean the calendar dictates that. so in this case he needed calendar in the absence of a tax return. is an easy case demek on september too. >> neil: i'm thinking that because it -- win that happens, you know, now he has a record that a criminal record here, like ophelia cara know what his lawyers are going to do demek so that the company's the prison sentence around that if found guilty, right? >> is criminal history will certainly be higher then a he actually becomes officially convicted when he's sentence demek i think what's going to happen, neil, look out on have any insight -- inside information other than our you to be a prosecutor and i used to be in part -- a partition i guess. i think he's going to plead guilty to the tax case. is going to save all the salacious details of how he

came into that money, sentencing will be postponed until after the presidential alert -- presidential risk and his father will pardon him back, neil, i hear all these talk about -- is really not a kid, is 54 years old mcgill tell you right now, my mama loves me as much today at age 59 as she did the day i was born. you don't ever stop being a parent. don't think his dad will watch him go to federal prison, even if you had to do it before the election but he doesn't. you can do it afterwards and that is why he's going to do, i think. >> neil: there is a father and that trumps -- many of -- trey gowdy, thank you very much, my friend. >> neil: yes sir. i want to pass on this news item that fox cannot confirm, it -- it tajikistan national apparently were -- with their returns were arrested on the border crossing abnormal -- we don't know much more than that but that extend last time i checked on the globe

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>> ♪ ♪ >> neil: we are just getting this video in the hunter biden catching up and getting a chance to meet his dad just for in the moment

and caliber, of course, at the site of his court case corrupt up-to-date with the jury convicting the president's on on these three gun counts stand planning deal for the better part of a couple of decades. likely the may seem demek the very latest right now from jillian turner at the white house. jillian. >> president biden is touching down imminently in wilmington delaware after headlining an event for a gun safety advocacy group earlier today called "every town." ohl came in the moment that cannot really be worse for the president at least in terms of upper extremity was seen to be advocating for gun control laws that his son has now been convicted of violating primitive president to put out a statement earlier in the day just after the verdict was released sa says, "as i said last week, i am the president but i am a dead. gel and i love our son and we are proud of the man he is today. as i also said last week i will accept the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process

as hunter considers an app appeal. gel and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. it's notable on the president's statement mentioned that hunter is considering moving forward with an appeal to overturn his conviction. this coming even before hunter's on defense team confirming that demek we already know the president has no plans to pardon hunter mcnicholas and... >> as we sit here in normandy that pearson, hunter is on trial, and i know you cannot speak about an ongoing federal prosecution. but let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome of that verdict, no matter what it is? speeds riders yes. saying the president's trevor khan that meaning is not a decision to spend the night in wilmington delaware early tomorrow morning, he will head to italy were present

the u.s. the g7 leaders summit there demek it's notable that the white house has not had a briefing now for 11 days. nine today and with the president heading overseas is going to be several more days until we will have a brie briefing. and here from the podium. >> neil: jillian turner thank you. to her point is a very different joe biden dedicated was running against ryan win they were both in advice presidential debates even paul ryan admits that keller seemed like a c. man after this... >> ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ chewy, a citi client, uses citi's financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving, so more pet parents can get everything they need... right when they need it. keeping more pets, and families, happy. ♪ for the love of moving our clients forward.

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>> neil: you debated joe biden back in 2012, 12 years ago. fat man versus the man you see today? >> different guy. >> explain. >> i have known joe biden for 20-25 years. he has just age very quickly, he has aged a lot. the guy i debated ten, 12 years ago is not the same guy we have today. >> neil: do you think you could make it through a second term? >> beats me. >> neil: "the wall street journal" editor at large, great writer, talking about some of these very issues, the way we have populace in far right candidates, all keeping with donald trump but maybe not with joe biden. what did you think of what the vice president shall candidate had to say about a different joe biden in 12 years, a very different joe biden? >> yeah, it was interesting,

neil, i mean, paul ryan is obviously a republican. as we know he is no trump fan so he is not shelling for donald trump. he has worked with joe biden quite closely over the years, obviously come as a member of congress for a long time, sparring with him in the 2012 debate. paul ryan is just saying what everybody, neil, is saying. who has seen the president up close. and more importantly, what everybody who watches the president from a distance can see. we all see it. we can all see, you know, his performance and mumbling and stuttering performances. looking lost as he wanders around, wanders away from the podium. i don't say this out of any kind of partisan rancor or harshness, it is quite a sad spectacle. this is an 81-year-old man -- the presidency is a draining, draining experience, even for someone who spends four days a week at his beach house. it's an incredibly demanding job. we see that with young men, like

barack obama, george w. bush, who was relatively young, bill clinton, who was relatively young, they were relatively young men when they became president aged dramatically in four years. when you are 78 years old and become president, the agent continues and of course accelerates. so no one is surprised to hear this. >> neil: it's kind of interesting, too, the frustration building among democrats that this is what they are stuck with. i don't want to present it like that but that is essentially what nate silver was saying, they can stop this train wreck, i am paraphrasing, essentially, what he is saying here. it is not too late to switch horses out. but it is, isn't it? >> no, i don't think it is. i mean, you know, imagine the scenario, biden is persuaded to stand down and you then have a candidate, lengthy series -- i say lengthy, a contest that unfolds over the next couple of months ahead of the democratic convention in august, mid-august, and they could have -- by the way, this was how

we used to pick presidential candidates, neil, until about 50 years ago at the actual convention, it was the convention that decided, not the primaries. i don't think it is unfeasible. i do however think it is highly implausible that joe biden will be persuaded to give up. you and i have talked about this before, neil, i'm afraid i've quoted this before, the late senator john mccain always used to say that the only known cure for presidential ambition was embalming fluid. and i think that's all. and i'm sorry to say we may be about to test that very proposition, literally, in the course of the next year or so. you know, biden won't give this up voluntarily. they don't give it up. it's just very, very improbable. i think he could be prevailed upon, even by family members, to say, you know what, joe, don't do this, it is really too hard on you. they all believe they are the indispensable candidate to save the nation and i don't see that changing with biden so i think it is possible to imagine it

could happen if biden stepped down. they could end up with a better candidate. but i just don't think it is likely. >> neil: real quickly, if the former vice president shall candidate is right, paul ryan is right, whoever wins is going to have a debt crisis on their hands. and that turned that it explodes. what do you make of that, real quickly? >> yeah, i think that is obviously true. we've only seen the debt exploding the course of the last five or six years, both under trump and particularly under biden. they are going to deal with it. the question -- donald trump is a very lucky man. i often think about this, having a conversation with somebody at the weekend, interest rates will come down very quickly so while there is a huge debt problem it won't necessarily explode under donald trump. >> neil: we will see. thank you very much. all right, here comes "the five." ♪ ♪ >> dana: hello, everyone. i'm dana perino along with judge jeanine pirro, richard fowler, jesse watters, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five."

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